tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post7702270021618039706..comments2023-10-30T07:47:15.419-07:00Comments on She May Be Naked: V-liciousLizhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17843219433075940501noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-7617682927896376502010-10-08T11:59:31.320-07:002010-10-08T11:59:31.320-07:00Fantastic post. Truly Fantastic.
I like these ver...Fantastic post. Truly Fantastic.<br /><br />I like these verses as well from section 59 of the doctrine and covenants - <br /> 18 Yea, all things which come of the earth, in the season thereof, are made for the benefit and the use of man, both to please the eye and to gladden the heart;<br /> 19 Yea, for food and for raiment, for taste and for smell, to strengthen the body and to enliven the soul.<br /> 20 And it pleaseth God that he hath given all these things unto man; for unto this end were they made to be used, with judgment, not to excess, neither by extortion.<br /><br />"not to excess, neither by extortion"... definitely words for our time and day.<br /><br />thanks again for posting this.Erin Darringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13827391685638735017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-84508473431177648522010-10-07T14:54:14.443-07:002010-10-07T14:54:14.443-07:00just to be a smart ass... I really like how people...just to be a smart ass... I really like how people pick and choose what they decide should be taken literally in the D&C... And there is nothing spare about meat at every meal. <br /><br />Ok. beyond this, I am not getting involved. Because no one is even addressing health, or how God created our digestion systems the way they are... or ethics... or the fact that you CAN see/feel a difference in your health and body in a month from being a vegan... but that's not for here.LizzyHousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06209328600757479212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-38785117568641847402010-10-04T10:38:18.276-07:002010-10-04T10:38:18.276-07:00@ Anonymous:
It was with permission of everyone w...@ Anonymous:<br /><br />It was with permission of everyone whom I could ask, and no one was identified. I wouldn't have done it otherwise.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17843219433075940501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-67328875511489331222010-10-04T10:33:27.037-07:002010-10-04T10:33:27.037-07:00Thanks so much for the clarification and explanati...Thanks so much for the clarification and explanations in this email! I follow Carrie's blog (and now yours :)) and as a new vegetarian, I've been totally bombarded with the same scriptures and 'condemning' type of reactions from some friends and family and I just appreciate your post so much. <br /><br />Thanks!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10470277213496717225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-67190040525303293762010-10-04T10:27:23.092-07:002010-10-04T10:27:23.092-07:00@Anonymous
Yeah, that didn't shock me at all...@Anonymous <br /><br />Yeah, that didn't shock me at all. Wow!Juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02759675746707403501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-69270410823679720702010-10-04T10:20:29.909-07:002010-10-04T10:20:29.909-07:00Hey I just wanted to come back and say I am too gr...Hey I just wanted to come back and say I am too grateful for this open disscussion you allowed & furthered. And I want to say Carrie's scripture on agents unto ourselves is a perfect way to end it. I agree with that completely and truly do support you this month, let me know if you come with any awesome dishes! Thanks for the disscussion it is good to see some blogging on things other than "what i did this week" and to see other view points that have also influenced mine in unexpected positive ways :)Josh & Brandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10663531331006017121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-44132207107396087092010-10-03T21:40:17.537-07:002010-10-03T21:40:17.537-07:00I'm just actually shocked you posted a persona...I'm just actually shocked you posted a personal email from someone else to someone else on your blog! Wow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-25494593477938834242010-10-03T18:15:05.184-07:002010-10-03T18:15:05.184-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.m.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07000194188047747909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-21884405936436654152010-10-02T18:13:07.595-07:002010-10-02T18:13:07.595-07:00Yeah! I love a good discussion!
And I agree, Jul...Yeah! I love a good discussion! <br /><br />And I agree, Jules. Bless her heart, I still believe in the human race enough to think she had good intentions and honestly thought she was doing the right thing. But if Carrie had less of a sense of humor, this woman's words would have pierced to the heart. And not in a good way.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17843219433075940501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-55734384128948341102010-10-02T15:14:13.593-07:002010-10-02T15:14:13.593-07:00Holy cow, (no pun intended) what a discussion! Veg...Holy cow, (no pun intended) what a discussion! Veganism and meat-eating aside, what bothers me here is how rude and extreme that woman was in her email to Carrie. Calling her to repentance, making comparisons to cocaine use, stating several times that she was disturbed and disgusted with Carrie's 'blasphemy.' I thought that was very unreasonable and unChristlike.Juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02759675746707403501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-80670643083651384252010-10-02T11:39:41.798-07:002010-10-02T11:39:41.798-07:00Everyone seems exhausted from talking about this, ...Everyone seems exhausted from talking about this, (too bad, I love a good discussion!) but I have a final thought:<br /><br />I have often heard the "eat meat sparingly only applied to the early saints because of their diet" argument, but I contend that we as a society eat meat WAY more than the early saints, so why not have it apply to us? <br /><br />Also, in looking at several lesson manuals on LDS.org, when teaching about this principle, it often says: "If family members choose not to eat meat or animal products, good sources of protein are beans, peas, and lentils.)"<br /><br />The BOTTOM LINE is this:<br /><br />Doctrine & Covenants 104:17<br /><br />"For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves."Carrie Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08209518269608948257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-22003667448680678712010-10-02T10:07:54.744-07:002010-10-02T10:07:54.744-07:00In your previous comment, Liz, you said:
Speaking...In your previous comment, Liz, you said:<br /><br /><i>Speaking of clarification, I also feel the need to address the line "We realize that the Word of Wisdom does not advocate total vegetarianism when we read another scripture." To advocate is to write or speak in support of something. A lack of advocating is the absence of support, but not the forbidding of something.</i><br /><br />This is the very thing I wanted to comment on. I don't get how we can infer that living a vegetarian lifestyle goes against doctrine. The Lord emphasizes grain as "the staff of life" and then also, with complete clarity, gives meat the okay. If someone decides they want to eat within the 'grain' side of the acceptable spectrum, that, instead of being a doctrinal oversight, is actually incredibly valid.<br /><br />It's commendable to be courageous in standing up for truth and right, but when we begin to eagerly fight pointless--even non-existent--battles, then I think we're missing the point. This is something we all do in our own varied and special ways, and admit that I do it probably more than most... but that doesn't mean I don't need to increase my awareness of it and correct it in myself.Peteyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04677714327709490461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-5234851992084817972010-10-02T09:48:21.966-07:002010-10-02T09:48:21.966-07:00I'm exhausted just from reading all of this. ...I'm exhausted just from reading all of this. Frankly, I think the Lord cares a lot more about the WHY someone is doing something than the WHATs. There are people who live on blood and milk because that's all there is to eat. There are people who live on acorn mush because that's all there is to eat. There are people who don't care where their meat comes from, and people who care deeply that they will only eat meat if that animal had a meaningful life prior to their death. In the big picture, this all seems such a tempest in a teapot ...<br /><br />Love you much, Liz!<br /><br />Mom<br />XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-90292493010771076422010-10-02T09:23:00.141-07:002010-10-02T09:23:00.141-07:00@Josh&Brandi--
I love critical discussion! I ...@Josh&Brandi--<br /><br />I love critical discussion! I really do. =)<br /><br />Thanks for the clarifications. I also want to clarify that by the time I wrote this post, you were not the only one I was directing it to. There have been many people who have expressed concern or a desire to clarify, and I wanted to direct my thoughts to a wider audience. <br /><br />And thank you for the article! Carrie and I both read it, and I appreciate that of all those who have responded similarly to Carrie's decision, you really did your research. I don't group you or anyone else in the same category of Sis. Crazy whose e-mail I included. <br /><br />My understanding of the LDS view of modern doctrine is not necessarily any article in the Ensign, but specifically the words of the prophets and apostles. But perhaps my view demands more research and prayer for clarification. <br /><br />Speaking of clarification, I also feel the need to address the line "We realize that the Word of Wisdom does not advocate total vegetarianism when we read another scripture." To advocate is to write or speak in support of something. A lack of advocating is the absence of support, but not the forbidding of something. <br /><br />I truly believe that the Lord is not displeased with Carrie's decision.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17843219433075940501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-720294543055902942010-10-02T08:29:35.023-07:002010-10-02T08:29:35.023-07:00Well worded, Liz. I agree with you completely and ...Well worded, Liz. I agree with you completely and appreciate the way you presented your thoughts. I wish there was a way to actually communicate that to more people. There are probably more mormons thank you'd think that have a skewed view of doctrine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-31796829688027460042010-10-02T07:30:54.442-07:002010-10-02T07:30:54.442-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Josh & Brandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10663531331006017121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-14753521459944991692010-10-02T07:28:28.965-07:002010-10-02T07:28:28.965-07:00ok since I am obviously one the people you are com...ok since I am obviously one the people you are communicating to, I want to start off by apologizing if my "food for thought" came off wrong. Like I mentioned this is something I have felt strongly about, but doesn't mean that I don't think other people should not be able to make their own choices in how they want to live. I am for her wanting to explore and try new foods and meals, and what I thought, on a quest to be healthier, which again I am sorry I misread her intentions. Since the blogging world is meant for submitting your thoughts, beliefs, and ideals, that means not everyone will agree but also doesn't mean they are out to offend people either, some do, but I did not. <br />Obviously no real health concerns could manifest in just a month long experiment, but I was more putting in my need to clarify where she was inferring that our faith deems eating meat in only times of need or else very rarely or hardly at all. This is not the doctrine is all i was wanting to clear up. That was for the early saints who very heavily depended on meat for their diet due their lifestyles of the time. But still we are to be wise and eat meat in small portions, and that could be with every meal if so choosing, because it is good for you if done wisely. It is a rich, natural source of certain nutrients, where supplements are not a natural source, or raw source. Anything in extreme is not a good thing, is all, all meat or all water, or just fruits & veggies or whatever.<br />Anyways the scriptures I referenced to were not my words, but that from an article from the Ensign, which we as LDS members believe to be modern scripture, right? The author, Lora Beth Larson, is/was a professor of nutrition at BYU and so she knows her stuff, I quote, "We realize that the Word of Wisdom DOES NOT advocate TOTAL vegetarianism when we read another scripture: {then the scriptures I referenced and I added emphasis} That was what I was going for, modern scripture interpreted those scriptures to mean contrary to what you posted your understanding to be. I did research this before I "opened my mouth" per-say. So it is not me who came up with this.<br />I appreciate your trying to clarify, but just read the article I posted from LDS.org "the do's of the word of wisdom" to see where I got my words from. Then I am in total support of which ever you or anyone else chooses to do, enjoy it, but just understand our faith's doctrine as well. Thank you! Have a great conference weekend!! (sorry long post, didn't want to make a blog post on this, yet...maybe)Josh & Brandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10663531331006017121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-28497678548977412142010-10-02T00:54:42.542-07:002010-10-02T00:54:42.542-07:00Yeah. Liz, that button is posted. I linked it to t...Yeah. Liz, that button is posted. I linked it to this post. Haha! I'm glad you're so well-spoken! All I could do was laugh!Carrie Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08209518269608948257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-75372665325468803832010-10-01T23:19:26.779-07:002010-10-01T23:19:26.779-07:00Could she possibly be serious? Seriously?
Seri...Could she possibly be serious? Seriously? <br /><br /><br />Seriously?<br /><br />People will never cease to amaze me.Karahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09512108847004366553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-87961664529092623042010-10-01T19:28:35.613-07:002010-10-01T19:28:35.613-07:00Oh my heavens. I was going to quote the most ridic...Oh my heavens. I was going to quote the most ridiculous statement from that email, but I couldn't choose just one. <br /><br />Brother Whitney and I had an interesting discussion about this. We were talking about how there is doctrinal evidence that there will be no death during the millennium of Christ's reign when He comes again. So if there's no death, we won't eat meat because no animals will have died. So aren't vegetarians and vegans just preparing for the millennium? Though as a vegetarian myself, I'm not trying to be superior to anyone else. My philosophy is "if I couldn't kill it, I won't eat it," which is why I still eat dairy and don't slam other people for eating meat. <br /><br />That lady is crazy. But you are awesome. And so is Carrie.Beckahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16969300981824099329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-4676905300567695212010-10-01T16:30:54.099-07:002010-10-01T16:30:54.099-07:00Liz...you rock. Likewise to you, Carrie.Liz...you rock. Likewise to you, Carrie.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082167313186482807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9243030.post-31594835338587201402010-10-01T16:21:48.509-07:002010-10-01T16:21:48.509-07:00OH MY GOSH!! that lady is CRAZY! I can't even ...OH MY GOSH!! that lady is CRAZY! I can't even believe that, I am dying of laughter. Is it bad that I think you should start calling Carrie Carisee to be funny though? bahah, seriously some people. I'm going to go smoke some cigarettes now, might as well since its the same thing as being vegan haha.Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11989515786552290417noreply@blogger.com